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Post by Paranoid on Feb 14, 2007 8:56:39 GMT -5
I dont think the US should be forcing democracy on Iraq. I dont believe democracy always works, and It doesnt need to be implemented just because Americans believe in it.
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Post by Reaver on Feb 14, 2007 10:05:41 GMT -5
Dictatorship beats Democracy... <.< Thats why ZV is so great..
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Post by t0y on Feb 14, 2007 22:05:55 GMT -5
I'd sooner kill myself than live in a Dictatorship. They'd take my internet and j0lt from me.
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Post by J.Y. on Feb 15, 2007 8:00:40 GMT -5
I'd sooner kill myself than live in a Dictatorship. They'd take my internet and j0lt from me. Many of us will be raising our hands for you too man.
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Post by Paranoid on Feb 15, 2007 16:49:20 GMT -5
monarchies and dictatorships aren't that bad as long as they do good things and they keep the country together.
Iraq was doing fine and stayed together. It was better than most countries in the world. US just killed people when they went in.
What I think was a smart move by the government was to bomb everything when they went in. They destroyed hospital and everything the country had, putting it in ruin. now where do all the injured and dying victims of war go without hospitals? Is it really helping the country by destroying what they have? But I guess now the US can spend their trillions of dollars on "rebuilding".
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Post by RELLIK on Feb 21, 2007 9:50:36 GMT -5
all for money. america is picking off countries as they go. then once the whole economy is under america.
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Post by The Emo Bunny on Feb 21, 2007 9:54:16 GMT -5
monarchies and dictatorships aren't that bad as long as they do good things and they keep the country together. Iraq was doing fine and stayed together. It was better than most countries in the world. US just killed people when they went in. What I think was a smart move by the government was to bomb everything when they went in. They destroyed hospital and everything the country had, putting it in ruin. now where do all the injured and dying victims of war go without hospitals? Is it really helping the country by destroying what they have? But I guess now the US can spend their trillions of dollars on "rebuilding". it was doing just fine? sadam was mass murding thousand of people you call that fine? and how can we rebuild if the terrorist keep blowing the crap up
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Post by Fusion on Feb 21, 2007 11:50:46 GMT -5
I have a new rant: The decision for British troops to pull out.
It's about time someone took the initiative. Maybe now we'll see that those Iraqi aren't going to fight for theirselves unless they're getting attacked.
My proof? My proof: Sure, every day we say we make progress in Iraq, yet in reality we're not anywhere close to our goal. Mission Accomplished in terms of screwing Iraq over. Now you'll never get that oil, eh Bush? What's next? Going to attack Saudi Arabia because of that pretzel incident? You clumsy oaf.
#1 - U.S. vs Afghanistan Let's take a broad look at the timeline of things: U.S invades Afghanistan, doesn't really make any progress in finding Osama himself, now they're saying he's dead, which he may very well be, as he hasn't sent any kind of threat towards us recently. What next? We're still there. We're still fighting. For what? A lost cause. Osama is MIA, he is NOT in Afghanistan!! He is also NOT in Iraq! We've already killed the guy who did what he did in Iraq. We've already got that target hung up and killed. Why do you persist, Bush!? In the name of "Freedom" or is it really for what I think it is and you're doing all of this in the name of oil because they threatened to make sure you didn't get a good paycheck? Only people we're fighting there is the Taliban. Hey, Bush, just so you know, the U.S's occupation might be a cause as to why the Taliban have been increasing in numbers recently. Maybe we're actually pissing them off.
#2 - Iraq (again):
Democracy, parliament, voting, freedom, no missiles, and best of all a civil war on their hands because of a religious conflict. WHAT THE HECK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!? This is not "good progress" this is a terrible truth hidden under a false truth. They say the media drives us to think the war's bad... Well I bet they're damn right. The progress soldiers say they make is hardly even relevant ot the actual war itself. All the soldiers are doing is just repair work, and it'll never end at this rate of fighting. Sunnis and Shias are fighting nose-to-nose all the time, and I can see why Blair's pulling his troops out. He's getting sick of all the casualties from the crossfire we just jump randomly into and say "STOP SHOOTING!". It's like this: If you're going to war, just know what the heck you're getting yourself into. Bush, this economy has spent more money on military than anything and I wouldn't be surprised if you started the next World War. You've already proven you're a complete mental case.
#3 - Military Spending:
I just have to say "What the f**k is that!?" when I see how much the U.S is spending compared to every other country. Look at how much we're spending on absolute crap and everybody else is spending! We're digging our own graves here! Don't believe me? Look up a military spending report yourself. We're spending a ton more than every other nation is on this war. What's our tax dollars at work? According to Bush, it's "putting food on your family." Yes, what they do at evenings in the White House now is hold food fights with Bush's family. That's what he meant by saying we have to put food on our families. Geez... I liked it better when you were in Texas. STAY, HOME. I hate to be against southerners but to be honest if you're so in-depth about your religious beliefs why the heck are you President? Oh, right, just about everybody who was christian voted for you because you pretty much took things from the bible and turned it into a presidential speech, which you proved that you can't remember things worth a damn, because of course, putting food on our families is what we do every night.
#4 - WHERE IS THE CONSTITUTION!?
Okay, so here's my final rant of the stay. Where the hell is the constitution? It's the guiding principle of all government, or so we think. We were attacked, we didn't know exactly who attacked us so we went with direct assumption and simply attacked the first thing that came to mind: OSAMA BIN LADEN. "It was Bin Laden! He said he would! I bet you those guys were Afghani! That's right! Afghani! We'll kill those bastards!" is what I bet he had on his mind right then. TO even add that he didn't know the attacks had happened, and even failed to do anything about them... Such a good president. Willing to ignore the constitution in favor of religious beliefs is something no president should ever do, especially when it involves the very moral grounds that hold this government together. I may sound like a pessimist, but damn it I hate it when I know I'm right and I don't like the result.
So, if you have anything to say about these rants, feel free. Just leave numbers so I know what you're talking about.
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Post by toy on Feb 21, 2007 11:59:32 GMT -5
once more, My vote goes for Fusion as President of the United States.
Seriously. take up law school, pass the Bar Exam and get a campaign going. every damn one of us would vote for you based on the fact you are smart.
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Post by swimstud600 on Feb 21, 2007 15:52:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't. No offense Fus but you're pointing out a crapload of flaws but you have not suggested a way to fix them or what you would have done if you had been in Bush's place these last few years. Can you honestly say after 9/11 that you would've stayed home and forgot the whole damn thing, not gone after the sand sucking monkeys over there? I'll come back to this thread later once I've got some time on my hands to write a little bit, you make some good points, I'll admit, but some of it I feel is crap that I'll have to debate later.
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 21, 2007 15:54:52 GMT -5
I think the problem is people should be concerned with ending the war quickly and efficiently, and not with running away.
America, we're the badass of the world, it would hurt our rep if we just ran. We gotta show these terrorists we mean business so they won't attack us again.
Whether we run or quickly end the war, either way, our troops come home, but if we kick some ass, we probobly won't have to worry about another attack, and that, is what I want.
I agree with Fusion on alot of his points, being at war sucks, nobody wants us to be at war, there are alot of downsides to fighting a war, but I think it's best we take care of this now so that our children don't have to, you know?
I think that instead of just withdrawing, we need a new plan. One that will whoop some serious ass so that we can bring our troops home victorious. After that, we can begin recovery, we can begin healing our economy.
So I'm going to support our troops and my hope is that we can get the job done and bring our troops home safely.
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Post by Fusion on Feb 21, 2007 17:43:20 GMT -5
I think the problem is people should be concerned with ending the war quickly and efficiently, and not with running away. America, we're the badass of the world, it would hurt our rep if we just ran. We gotta show these terrorists we mean business so they won't attack us again. Whether we run or quickly end the war, either way, our troops come home, but if we kick some ass, we probobly won't have to worry about another attack, and that, is what I want. I agree with Fusion on alot of his points, being at war sucks, nobody wants us to be at war, there are alot of downsides to fighting a war, but I think it's best we take care of this now so that our children don't have to, you know? I think that instead of just withdrawing, we need a new plan. One that will whoop some serious ass so that we can bring our troops home victorious. After that, we can begin recovery, we can begin healing our economy. So I'm going to support our troops and my hope is that we can get the job done and bring our troops home safely. You're under the assumption that we -can- win. What if we really can't win? What then?
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Post by Nightmare on Feb 22, 2007 1:56:51 GMT -5
Hmm... Good point...
But I think I'm going to be confident. America has won every war we've seen through to the end thus far, why doubt our abilities now?
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Post by Fusion on Feb 22, 2007 7:56:07 GMT -5
America has won every war we've seen through to the end thus far, why doubt our abilities now? I bring up the Vietnam War. We didn't exactly win that one...
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Post by swimstud600 on Feb 22, 2007 13:28:28 GMT -5
This is a new type of war, the kind that'll never be over. Terrorists are a fact of life now, even when we get Bin Laden there'll always be more. Note: I still plan on speaking on the big post.
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